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Comments on: Brill Confronts Critics Chronicling the Decline of Newspapers and the Rebirth of Journalism Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:08:13 +0000 hourly 1 By: msbpodcast Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:08:13 +0000 Your mind is like a black where ideas go to die.

READ THIS LINE: I’m advocating for consumers paying to use the Post Office’s IT infrastructure to get access to RSS files to get access to the publishers’ content and for the post office paying for publishers for giving access to that content, regardless of where the consumer and the publisher are.

That is the content.

If there are any unfamiliar terms in there, go to school and shut up until you done so…

If you don’t know what RSS is, use Google.

If you don’t know what IT infrastructure is, use Google.

I have NEVER worked for any post office.

I have never claimed to work for any post office.

I may have consulted for them but I’ve consulted for lots of people, organizations, firms and governments over the past 30 years.

I don’t believe this I’m arguing with a mouth-breather who chooses the name “Donuts” as a moniker.

By: Dan Donuts Totten Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:39:22 +0000 Still no Content in your comments,just invective. I know now not expect civility or rationality from a former postal employer such as your self.
Now back to the lack of a market for your bizarre scheme to defraud the news hungry public. If notice Bloomberg did not get rich selling consoles,maybe you have him confused with the good people at RCA or Sony. One more time; consoles, paper ,notebook/pcs are nothing but furniture without content that someone,somewhere will pay for.

By: msbpodcast Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:30:15 +0000 Hey Donut/i>,

I see your mistake here, you’ve got news, with is definitely not dying. jammed together with paper which is the old delivery method method which depended on advertisers to carry the freight.

Silly you.

Using paper is so.oo last millennium.

Trees breathe sighs of relief at the demise of the use of paper as a transport mechanism.

I’m advocating for consumers paying to use the Post Office’s IT infrastructure to get access to RSS files to get access to the publishers’ content and for the post office paying for publishers for giving access to that content, regardless of where te consumer and the publisher are.

The transaction is instantaneous, inexpensive, and do you see the word paper anywhere in the last sentence?

If the consumers are wasteful enough to actually print the stuff, that’s out of te scope of my business model.

And Donuts, I’m a podcaster.

I have had audience members from Wala-Walla, Washington to Ulan-Bator, Outer Mongolia, in fact from every continent except Antarctica. (I get a great many of my download requests from the Netherlands.)

Don’t waste your time trying to insult me with some crack about the NY/LA fly-over.

Take your ignur’nt -ass comments and shove ’em up your ignurt ass.

Now shut your stupid gob, you blithering crass fool…

By: Dan Donuts Totten Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:35:25 +0000 Your refusal to admit that newspapers are dying because they don’t play well in Peoria is one example of the mindset that is killing former media giants.You could post the contents of todays NYT online for free or charge what you please, you could post it on the billboard at the Post Office and it still would not attract more revenue. Until the attitude of folks like yourself and Pinch Sulberger change you will continue to loose market share/revenue. You must recognize that the world is much larger and more complex than the NY/Wash/LA echo chamber.

By: msbpodcast Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:17:28 +0000 You’re harping on Mr. Donut, and I quote here, about “Content,Content,Content.

Well, content is in the eye of the beholder. And it is entirely immaterial to how people get paid for it.

Crap to me might be a gem to you and vice versa.

I’m sure we don’t even consider what might be news to be the same thing.

You can watch Fox and read Drudge all you want. I’d rather not. Lets hope neither of us watches TMZ and considers it news. Its merely celebrity worship at its basest.

I will admit that I read about The Collapse of Complex Societies as entertainment, which might not be everybody’s cup of tea, but I seriously don’t expect you to follow the link and buy the book.

So your argument about Content,Content,Content is specious at best.

Content means squat if you can’t get a nickle for it.

My entire argument is about that nickle,
• where its coming from, viz; the consumer,
• who’s getting it, viz: the content producer, and via what fiscal vehicle: viz:
* I ague for using the post office acting as the most logical intermediary for providing paid access to RSS files stored on their IT infrastructure.

No pay, not RSS access. No RSS access, no access to news files in a timely manner. You’re stuck using the free website and being behind the curve at the water cooler.


Mr Bloomberg is able to charge thousands of dollars every month for each of his customized news aggregation consoles because he adds value to the information he gathers and that his clients demand.

At these amounts, he can also afford to use more expensive intermediaries to collect his fees or to set up his own collection services (as separate, though wholly owned, subsidiaries,) than news-outlets can afford.

Its only smart to use an intermediary agencies with the legal right to get paid, with their own police forces to insure that it is paid, with franking privileges, with international agreements (because the New York Times can be read anywhere the internet goes. [So can the Drudge Report for that matter.)

You claim to have a bad experience with the mail service in the United States.

Well that makes it anecdotal, statistically insignificant and easily dismissed.

The post office is still used by millions of people and businesses everyday, and they never seem to lose a single bill of mine.

So far its you, 1, and everybody else, millions of times per day.

Sorry, but in the face of things, you vanished in the details…

You have not brought a single argument that was either germane to my point about pay walls, or that could possibly convince me but you have instead proved my point for me.

Now don’t dig yourself in any further.

By: Dan Donuts Totten Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:19:13 +0000 So Bloomberg gets paid,so does Drudge,so does Fox, its not about delivery mechanisms but about money.Please admit that money is exchanged for Content ,not standing in/on line,deliver systems are’nt the issue!!!

By: msbpodcast Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:29:07 +0000 And Bloomberg get paid for his content. His paid content website is behind a paywall.

Weren’t you paying any attention?

By: Dan Donuts Totten Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:59:40 +0000 I am not impressed by your attitude.Or your alleged deeds. Please show us all how your Post Office paywall can possibly revive a dying entity such as the New York Times. Now show us all mere mortals what is the difference between Bloomberg ,Drudge and the Times.

By: msbpodcast Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:08:49 +0000 I’m not concerned about being the next Marshall McLuhan (never mind Mike Bloomberg, [who provides financial data to people who are wiling to pay for it, {and he has paywalls on his Bloomberg machines,*} how could he afford to play at being the mayor of NYC], or Matt Drudge who makes his money how exactly? [By recapping events covered by other people already?])

As you state, the proof is in the deeds, not just words.

I am a published author (AI Expert, Byte Magazine, PC AI, Computer Language Magazine [I have an eponymous documentation technique you can download here ] various volumes, various years, but I was at my most public in the early nineteen-nineties, and ) and have made a lot of money implementing systems, some for the very clients you disparage in your dismissive missive.

So you win.

I yield befire your superior knowledge and vastly greater experience.

I’m scurrying back into my hidey-hole, beneath a rock, amid the other slimemold.

Ach, wee timourous beastie that I am, I have obviously been bested in battle by a superior intellect.

Your logic, wit and cogent arguments have torn my arguments asunder and revealed me for the lickspittle cur I must surely be.

Oh, you surely win. Pay walls will never work. They have never worked. Oh doomed to utter failure must my plan be.

Just remember. Arguing on the internet…

I tire of this. I won’t waste my time with you again.

*) If you’re going to argue, don’t give the other guy all the ammunition he needs. Bloomberg made biliions, with a B, selling a two screen console, (the equipment was originally made by Matrox in Canada if my memory serves me right,) hooking it up to his monthly subscription pre-web internet-site (the one you kill for if you’re on Wall Street,) and filling it with content, reports on entire industries, financial information on specific companies, annual statements, industry overviews etcetera.

P.S.Its spelled “you’re” not “your” in your thrice marked question “… how come your not the next …” And the answer is: I have other things to do.

By: Dan Donuts Totten Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:30:56 +0000 And one more thing,if you pet Post Office idea is so great,how come your not the next Bloomberg or Drudge??? In the real world,you know beyond the village,the proof is in deeds not just words.